Weirdo the Abhorrent ([info]jianna) wrote,
@ 2008-07-19 01:08:00
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1. Rachel Dawe becomes a Woman in a Refrigerator. (To my embarrassment, I've been attributing the source of the term to Nightwing when in fact it was Green Lantern. Ffft.)

Let's be honest. Rachel Dawe isn't a terrible interesting character by herself. She's respectable, independent, and not wimpy, and I do like her, sure. But do I find her original or terribly interesting? TBH, not really. And then, in The Dark Knight, she's used not as a character, but as a plot device. She essentially exists to be killed so Harvey Dent has a reason to go crazy and so Batman has that much more reason to hate The Joker. It's not very fair, especially when you consider she is the only female character of supposed importance in the whole movie, with the possible exception of the officer who works alongside Gordon.

2. Barbara Gordon. For some reason, Commissioner Gordon's wife is named Barbara. From what I know of the comics (and I'm admittedly new to them) Barbara is his daughter who becomes Batgirl, and then Oracle. This isn't really a huge complaint, I'm just BUTTHURT because I really really really like Oracle.

3. Commissioner Gordon's family. Gordon has two kids. But the movie only ever really shows you his son. He has a daughter, apparently, but she's only mentioned in passing (The mom tells the son, "Go play with your sister.") and you see the top of her head in one of the final scenes. That's it. And the son is established as the person Gordon loves the most. I'm all for fatherly love and all, but it bugs me that he had such a blatantly favorite child, and that that child had to be the son. Honestly, if the other kid's not gonna matter, just make him an only child, then I wouldn't have to be bothered by the subtle (and unintentional, really) message that daughters don't matter. I know most people will find that complaint really piddly but it just... I don't know, it really really annoys me that we don't even see the daughter's face. Ugh.

ALL IN ALL THOUGH, I did enjoy myself. And all son/daughter quibbling I might have, I'm still kind of weirdly, totally in love with Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordon. Still wish the whole favorite son thing weren't there to TAINT it though. C'MOONNNNNNN. argh.

They did flip a semi over. Like they really did it. No CGI flipping semis here. Two-Face's face. Holy shit. That was spectacularly gross. SPECTACULARLY. Bale's Batman voice is still pretty ridiculous though.

Haha, I suck at coherent, fully thought out reviews.



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[info]dominochan
2008-07-19 07:43 pm UTC (link)
Actually, the part with the daughter may be deliberate. Maybe the daughter was named for her mother, and then when/if the little girl re-appears with more interest in Batman-style crimefighting, people will go OHHHHH IT'S BATGIRL! DUUUUUH.

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[info]jianna
2008-07-19 08:16 pm UTC (link)
I hope so but for now it was ALL ABOUT HIS SON HIS PRETTY BLONDE SON HEY ISN'T HIS SON CUTE. Deliberately ignoring a character to become important later... it's kind of possible, but considering how young the kids are at this point it seems pretty unlikely =\

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[info]dominochan
2008-07-19 08:29 pm UTC (link)
Hey, you never know. In all honesty I was surprised they killed off Dawes like they did. I seriously thought she was going to make it (and still create Two-Face) until I saw the bomb go off. Then I was all "...Damn."

The only way I see them screwing up Gordon's two kids' roles is if the boy ends up becoming Robin. THEN I'll call bullshit and avoid seeing the next movie.

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[info]jianna
2008-07-19 08:42 pm UTC (link)
I think Nolan's said he doesn't want to do Robin, and according to /tv/ which is VERY RELIABLE (lulz) Bale said something douchey like he wouldn't do a movie with Robin in it.

I had Dawe's exploding spoiled for me, not that I was terribly attached to her though. COMIC BOOK MOVIES, STOP FAILING AT FEMALE CHARACTERS. fjfjkdjf.

I'm probably just butthurt cuz I want a movie with Oracle in it.

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[info]dominochan
2008-07-19 10:39 pm UTC (link)
The only problem with Oracle is that she didn't come along until much later in the comics. It would take at least 2-3 more movies before Oracle could be a plausible character. Not that movie people pay attention to timelines or anything.

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[info]jianna
2008-07-19 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I know, it'll never happen in this series, it just would have been nice to have a Barbara Gordon shoutout, rather than some other kid. Gordon already had a comic-established kid they could have used. On top of that, it bothers me in my deep feminazi layer that they effectively replaced kid-Barbara with a boy for no logical reason. I know that's probably being overly analytical and nitpicky, but the whole girls-don't-matter thing is pretty prevalent, especially where comics are concerned. And and and... there was just no reason to make it a movie-verse-only son instead of the daughter he already HAD in the source material. fjakdhfjaf.

I'm kind of secretly hoping for an unrelated Birds Of Prey movie, but if it did get made, they'd inevitably get it all wrong and it'd be a piece of crap.

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[info]dominochan
2008-07-19 11:34 pm UTC (link)
Yes, considering the Birds of Prey TV series was a piece of crap, in my opinion.

I wouldn't take it too deeply. As I said, the attention directed towards the boy may have been deliberate to throw people off. Also, Gordon having a son is actually in the comics, but he took a backseat to Barbara and was eventually killed off. But, since the DC universe likes to fuck with continuity, I'm not even sure how many confirmed children he has other than Barbara, as she was eventually retconned into being Gordon's niece. This is going off what I've found Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, and One Year Later, though her current relationship with Gordon (daughter/niece??) has yet to be cleared up.

What does this prove? Just that I'm a huge comic nerd and that the DC universe has been rebooted too many times to count.

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[info]katimus_prime
2008-07-20 01:24 am UTC (link)
I was WONDERING where Gordon's daughter was. D: I was wtf wtf wtf, batgirl?

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[info]ragnarok_iii
2008-07-20 04:35 am UTC (link)
1. Yeah... but she never should have existed in the first place. I hated her in the first movie and I'm GLAD SHE DIED. Nothing to do with her being female and I don't support WiRing in general; I was going entirely on my grudge from the first movie.

2. As the lady Setzer said, the comic book origins of Barbara Gordon the person is murky at best. His (late)wife in the comics is named Barbara, regardless. So...

3. Yeah, there's no in-movie explanation for this crap. In theory the producers didn't want to set anything in stone about potential Batgirl, to the point of not even showing her face. Seems a bit paranoid, though. The only plausible explanation for Jim choosing his son (and mans did that annoy me) is that his daughter is in fact actually his adopted neice. Still sucks, but at least it could be based on closer blood instead of (or in addition to) sexism.

4. I hate the 'Batman' voice so bad. Everything he says sounds awful because he has to husk it up. in fact, Batman the character was pretty boring the whole movie... but I digress.

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[info]jianna
2008-07-20 04:44 am UTC (link)
1. Haha, aight. I wasn't a fan of her in the first one for the simple fact that she was played by Katie Holmes.

2. Yeah that's a case of me showing myself to be comicbook ig'nant so... whoops. I relent on that one.

3. I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed :[

4. It was so bad I occasionally couldn't understand wtf he was saying sometimes. Also, I've found that with both Spiderman and Batman the actual hero is pretty boring and it's the villains who are more interesting. Moreso with spidey than with bats though. PETER PARKER I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU.

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